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Why does a purchaser from a thief have to pay the original owner when yiush and shinui reshus transfer ownership? The shiur develops two competing frameworks: yiush works like aveida (independent kinyan) or through kinyan genevah (theft-based property rights). The Raavad's position that the lokeach must pay even after acquiring ownership forces a fundamental reexamination of the basis of payment—not because ownership is incomplete, but because the purchaser obligated himself through the agreed price.
This advanced Gemara (גמרא) shiur explores the fundamental mechanisms behind yiush (despair of recovery) and its relationship to kinyan genevah (acquisition through theft), focusing on Bava Kamma 57a and the dispute between Rishonim regarding when and how a purchaser from a thief acquires ownership. Rabbi Zweig begins by presenting Rabbeinu Tam's position from Tosafos (תוספות) and Sefer HaYashar: yiush works in conjunction with kinyan genevah. The question arises—if the Gemara states "amar Ula mehanaya yiush einah konah" (Ula says from where do we know yiush does not effect acquisition), how can Rabbeinu Tam hold that yiush is koneh? The resolution lies in distinguishing two possible mechanisms for yiush: (1) yiush combined with kinyan genevah removes the chiyuv hashavah (obligation to return), allowing the theft-based acquisition to stand, or (2) yiush operates independently like by aveida, where despair itself creates ownership. Rabbeinu Tam holds the former—yiush enables kinyan genevah to work, which is why there remains an issur of mitzvah (מצוה) haba'ah ba'aveirah (commandment fulfilled through sin). The Gemara's statement that "yiush einah konah" means yiush alone, without kinyan genevah, does not create ownership.
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Bava Kamma 57a
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