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Why does responding "hav" (have it) to a marriage proposal sometimes invalidate the kiddushin while silence validates it? The shiur analyzes the Rashba's and Ran's positions on whether "hav" is intrinsically problematic or whether it refers back to an earlier question. The discussion explores multiple permutations of question, statement, silence, and "hav" responses.
This shiur presents a detailed analysis of Kiddushin 9a, focusing on a complex sugya about the validity of kiddushin when a woman responds with different formulations. The Gemara (גמרא) discusses a case where a woman requests something, a man asks "If I give you this, will you marry me?", she says "hav" (have it), and he gives it to her. The central question is whether this constitutes a valid kiddushin. The shiur establishes a system to distinguish between different types of communication: the woman's initial request, the man's question, the woman's response ("hav"), and the man's subsequent giving or statement. Rabbi Zweig works through multiple permutations of these elements according to different Rishonim.
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Kiddushin 9a
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Why does the Gemara present a kal v'chomer for chuppah making kiddushin based on kesef not being maichel b'terumah, only to reject it? The shiur reveals that even the rejected kal v'chomer establishes a fundamental yesod: kiddushin is a kinyan for ishus (marital relationship), not merely a kinyan in hilchos kinyanim. The second kal v'chomer—from chuppah being gomeres—raises Tosafos's famous question.
Is the kesef used in kiddushin a true kinyan (acquisition), or merely a symbolic means of establishing marriage? The shiur analyzes multiple interpretations of the Gemara's derivation from ki yikach ki'ach mi'Sayeffron, exploring whether marriage constitutes ownership, and develops three fundamental approaches: (1) The Gemara proves ishus is a kinyan, (2) ishus is not a kinyan but uses kinyan-like means, or (3) ishus is a kinyan but the kesef may not be a ma'aseh kinyan. The Rambam's position—calling kesef "midivrei sofrim"—is explained as distinguishing between cross-referencing concepts versus borrowing terminology.
Why does the Mishna alternate between the language of "kinyan" (acquisition) and "kiddushin" (sanctification) when describing marriage? The shiur develops a fundamental distinction: marriage has two separate aspects—a kinyan dimension (ownership) and a kedusha dimension (sanctified relationship). Either aspect can initiate the bond, and understanding this dual nature resolves multiple textual and halachic questions throughout the sugya.
Does kiddushei shetar require a shevah pruta? The Ran presents two approaches to the Rif's position. The shiur develops the Ran's second pshat that shetar kiddushin functions as a hachnah (exchange) rather than a mere kinyan nesina. This reading has profound implications for isuri hana'ah, mechubar, and the relationship between kesef and shetar.
