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Can two men marry two women using only one peruta between them? The Gemara (גמרא)'s case of "shtei venosayich lishnei bonai bepruta" reveals a fundamental distinction: kiddushin is a religious ceremony that can be shared, not a kinyan requiring separate monetary exchanges. This explains why what works for kiddushin cannot work for buying two cows.
This shiur analyzes the Gemara (גמרא) on Kiddushin 7b regarding the case of "shtei venosayich lishnei bonai bepruta" — a father who has two daughters and marries them to two sons using only one peruta. The Gemara presents a fundamental question: do we follow "basar noisen" (after the giver) or "basar mekabel" (after the receiver)? If we follow basar noisen, each man gave only half a peruta, which should invalidate the kiddushin. If we follow basar mekabel, the kiddushin may be valid in doubt. Rashi (רש"י) and Tosafos (תוספות) disagree on the mechanics of this case. Rashi appears to suggest that the boys can be adults who appoint their father as their agent (shaliach), using their own money. Tosafos objects that if the girls are adults (gedolos), the father would have to be their agent, and this would require two full perutas (one for each). Therefore, Tosafos concludes the case must involve minor daughters (ketanos) where the father receives kiddushin on their behalf by Torah (תורה) law. Tosafos also states that the Gemara's formulation "basar noisen" is not precise (lav davka).
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Kiddushin 7b
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