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Why does Rav Yosef ask 'tali tanya bedilo tanya' when both sources are indeed tanya? Rashi (רש"י) and Tosafos (תוספות) offer radically different readings of the Gemara (גמרא)'s progression. The core issue emerges: when wedding delays occur, does obligation for mezonos depend on whose sake caused the delay—his or hers?
This shiur presents a detailed analysis of a challenging passage in Kesubos 2a, focusing on the cryptic exchange between Shmuel and Rav Yosef regarding 'tali tanya bedilo tanya' (you rely on a tanya versus a non-tanya). The Gemara (גמרא) initially seems to present an impossible question, leading to the reformulation 'tanya d'mefaresh ta'ama v'tanya d'lo mefaresh ta'ama' (a tanya that explains the reason versus one that doesn't). Rabbi Zweig explores the fundamental disagreement between Rashi (רש"י) and Tosafos (תוספות) in understanding this passage. According to Tosafos, the question is straightforward: why does Shmuel go to a different Mishna (on daf nun zayin) to find a nafka mina when our Mishna already provides clear reasoning? Tosafos essentially skips over the 'tali tanya bedilo tanya' formulation as merely a way to clarify what Rav Yosef was really asking.
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Kesubos 2a
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