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When a man betroths a woman with "this mana" but delivers only a dinar, is she immediately married with a debt owed, or married conditionally upon full payment? The Gemara (גמרא)'s machlokes between viewing the stated amount as a purchase price versus a tanai reveals two fundamentally different models of the kiddushin transaction, with Rashi (רש"י) and Tosafos (תוספות) disagreeing on whether the woman can accept later payment or whether the kiddushin is automatically void.
This shiur analyzes Kiddushin 8a, focusing on the complex issue of partial payment in kiddushin. The central question is: when a man says "harei at mekudeshes li b'mana" (you are betrothed to me with a mana) but only gives a dinar, what is the halachic status of the woman? The Gemara (גמרא) presents Rav Elazar's principle that she is mekudeshes v'yashlim—married immediately but the man must complete payment. This creates an apparent problem: the woman is locked into a precarious position where she cannot marry anyone else (since she might be married to this man), yet she is not definitively married either (since he might not pay). The shiur asks: why would a woman agree to such an arrangement?
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Kiddushin 8a
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