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When father and mother both ask for water, why does the Gemara (גמרא) prioritize the father even after the mother is deceased? The shiur resolves the contradiction by distinguishing between actual obligation and Torah (תורה)-assigned levels of kavod. A living father retains two "servants" (wife and child) in the Torah's structure, making his kavod greater even when the wife cannot fulfill her duty.
The shiur opens with two foundational difficulties in Kiddushin 30b. First, why does the Gemara (גמרא) frame the case as "father asks, then mother asks" rather than the reverse? If the point is to demonstrate that the father's kavod takes precedence, wouldn't it be stronger to show that even when the mother asks first, you must abandon her request for the father's? Second, why does the Gemara invoke the principle "af heim chayav b'kvodo" (the mother is also obligated in the father's honor) when this seems to overlap with the sugya in Gittin concerning a married woman's obligation to her husband? The Gemara in Gittin establishes that a married woman cannot fulfill her father's request if her husband might object, because she is meshubedet (subordinate) to her husband. This creates an apparent contradiction: if the mother tells her son to bring her water after the father has already requested it, isn't she effectively instructing the son to neglect the father's request, which would violate her own subordination to her husband?
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Kiddushin 30b
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