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Why does the Gemara (גמרא) treat eidim zomemim as a knas (penalty) rather than straightforward nezikin (damages)? The shiur traces Rashi (רש"י)'s intricate approach: classical eidim zomemim is not a nezikin case at all—it's an onesh for false testimony, not a monetary injury. True nezikin requires actual loss or admission of monetary obligation. Rashi therefore reconstructs the case as one where the defendant admits in a second beis din to owing money, creating a hodos baal din that counts as nezikin.
This advanced shiur examines Bava Kamma 4b and the Gemara (גמרא)'s treatment of eidim zomemim (refuted witnesses) as a case of knas (penalty) rather than mamon (straightforward monetary obligation). The central question is why the Gemara engages in such elaborate discussion to explain what eidim zomemim means in the context of Rebbe Akiva's position, when a simple case—two witnesses testifying that Reuven borrowed money, then being contradicted by hazamah—should suffice. Rabbi Zweig develops Rashi (רש"י)'s position that the classical case of eidim zomemim cannot be a case of nezikin (damages/torts) at all. Eidim zomemim involves an onesh (punishment) for false testimony—sometimes monetary payment, sometimes lashes, sometimes capital punishment—but this is not the same as a din of chovas baal din (monetary obligation). When witnesses are proven to have lied, we don't actually know whether the underlying claim was true or false; we only know the witnesses didn't see what they claimed. There is no provable injury (hezek) to the defendant's net worth, because perhaps he really did borrow the money. Eidim zomemim therefore falls outside the parsha of nezikin entirely—it's a Torah (תורה)-imposed consequence for bearing false witness, not a tort.
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Bava Kamma 4b
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