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If a thief has a shliach shecht the stolen animal on Shabbos (שבת), is he liable for the fourfold or fivefold payment? The shiur analyzes the Gemara (גמרא)'s position that the Rabbanan who exempt require both Rabbi Shimon's view and Rabbi Yochanan Sandler's ruling that ma'aseh Shabbos is forbidden. The core chakira: is shechita that's forbidden to the thief forever considered shechita she'einah re'uyah?
The shiur begins with a foundational Gemara (גמרא) that addresses when a ganav (thief) who steals an animal and has a shliach (agent) slaughter it on Shabbos (שבת) would be liable for daled v'hei (the fourfold or fivefold payment required when a thief slaughters or sells a stolen animal). The Mishna presents a dispute: Rabbi Meir holds the thief is liable even when the shechita occurs on Shabbos through an agent, while the Chachamim hold he is exempt. The Gemara's question is fundamental: if the Chachamim exempt because the shechita on Shabbos is a shechita she'einah re'uyah (an invalid slaughter), how can that be when the shechita is technically kosher? The Gemara brings a Braisa from Rabbi Yochanan Sandler that discusses cooking on Shabbos. The positions range from Rabbi Meir (who holds that food cooked on Shabbos be'shogeg may be eaten immediately, but be'meizid must wait until after Shabbos) to Rabbi Yehuda (be'shogeg requires waiting until motzei Shabbos, be'meizid is forbidden forever to the one who cooked it but permitted to others after Shabbos) to Rabbi Yochanan Sandler (be'shogeg is permitted to others after Shabbos but forbidden forever to him; be'meizid is forbidden to everyone forever). The Gemara establishes that the Rabbanan who exempt in the Mishna must hold like Rabbi Yochanan Sandler, creating the framework that ma'aseh Shabbos creates an issur achilah.
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Bava Kama 71a
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