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What makes two separate sets of witnesses combine into one testimony? The shiur analyzes the Talmudic principle of dover v'lo chatzi dover ("complete testimony, not half-testimony") through the case of theft and slaughter, where one pair testifies about the theft and another about the slaughter. The Gemara (גמרא)'s chiddush is that when the first testimony stands independently, the second doesn't violate dover v'lo chatzi dover.
This shiur presents an in-depth analysis of the Talmudic principle of dover v'lo chatzi dover (complete testimony versus partial testimony) as it appears in Bava Kamma 70a-b, examining when two separate pairs of witnesses can combine to create a complete halachic testimony. The case under discussion involves the payment of four or five times the value when someone steals and then slaughters or sells an animal—whether separate testimonies about the theft and the subsequent act can be combined. Rabbi Zweig begins by establishing that the sugya requires studying the Gemara (גמרא) in both Bava Kamma and Sanhedrin (around daf 85-86), along with several Rambams in Hilchos Geneivah (chapter 4, laws 7-8, and chapter 1, laws 7-8). He highlights particularly important sources including the Meir Simcha in Hilchos Seitos and the Shita Mekubetzes in Bava Basra, noting that these latter sources appear to contradict each other on fundamental points.
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Bava Kamma 70a-b
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